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Trt Therapy

Carl640

Carl640

Hi team , I posted my first post on the newbie section but feel it's more relevant here with being a TRT topic
Hopefully I'm not breaking any rules by pasting it here
ok team ,1st post so don't slam me but I have done as much reading as I can and watched as many videos regarding what I've done with conflicting views.

So with not much experience of using juice apart a few cycles years ago .

So with being 49 and just recovering from a shoulder op a few months ago I decided to get back the gym and concentrate on weights with a bit of cardio to increase my muscle mass and loss some body fat .and increase energy and libido etc
So after loads and loads of reading etc I decided to try just an anavar cycle and see how it went , so I buys the anavar then read that most of the stuff online is fake ,so also decided to purchase a test kit which proved the anavar to be genuine even though they where really cheap,
So decides to start them on 20mg a day and feel real good etc whilst at gym also taking LIV 52 with them
Anyway I then read that most people recommend test with it ( oh fuck !! ) so I then decides to order some test cyp that I started last week at approx 130mg per week to start with .
So at the moment I'm on 20mg of anavar and the test weekly , now bear in mind i don't want to go massive but just increase my physique etc .
I then decided I'm best getting my blood tested as a benchmark .
So by the time I got the bloods done i had been on anavar only for say 16 days at 20mg each day .
The results are in and as follows .
Red blood normal
White blood normal
Clotting status normal
Kidney health
Creatinine slight high at 108
Range ( 59-104 )
Liver health ALT 89 ( range <50)
Proteins normal
Cholesterol all high with total veing at 5.63 ( range 0-5)
Iron normal
Thyroid normal
Oestradiol 40 range ( 41-159)
Testosterone ( 2.43) with a range of 8.64-29
Now I started the test straight after this blood was taken which is just less than a week ago so now for the questions.
Presumably the anavar may of accounted for the low test result ?
( I should of got tested before taking the anavar but was impatient and wanted to smash the gym on my days off .
Now when I finish this current pack of anavar which is 100 tabs at 10mg do I Need to take anything else if my intention is to stay on the test for as long as possible??? As let's say a TRT therapy
I'll get my blood done again in say a month just to see if the test levels have picked up ,
Would working up to maybe 200mg a week be sufficient do ye think
 
Did you 'feel' you needed trt before starting ie low testosterone symptoms ?
You are about right for trt at 130mg ( strange number tbh ) but its individual so give or take.
But going forward if you didn't 'need' trt ie your own production was ok then your swaping natural production for synthetic. Shut yourself down for no real reason. That said your age would suggest you would be naturally declining so the trt likely with put you above what you would naturally expect to be.
There's a threshold but obvs the more you take the more your going to get from it but also increase potential risks
 
Sorry yes , I definitely thought my testosterone was going to be low , lack of libido , no morning glory , no energy etc, although I am a shift worker so sometimes I put tiredness down to that so just wanted to give myself a boost really I've tried the natural test boosters that you can buy online but not impressed and was taking them for months so after lots of research I thought well I've nothing to lose by trying a low dose , the 130mg was just what I calculated from the amount of I drew up initially in the syringe based on 200mg/ml , I'm guessing the 16days of anavar at 20mg per day is responsible for the low test results , i should of done the bloods before starting the tablets so this week I will increase the test slightly and keep taking the anavar and see if things improve. Thanks for replying its appreciated
 
How long do ye think I'm best waiting to do another blood test ?
If I stay on the 20mg of anavar daily
And increase my test cyp upto say a max of 200mg per week.
And when I do arrange the blood test would I best doing it say in the middle of the week , if I'm injecting weekly so say day 4 after last injection to get an accurate result?
 
Carl640 said:
How long do ye think I'm best waiting to do another blood test ?
If I stay on the 20mg of anavar daily
And increase my test cyp upto say a max of 200mg per week.
And when I do arrange the blood test would I best doing it say in the middle of the week , if I'm injecting weekly so say day 4 after last injection to get an accurate result?
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The anavar will have a big impact on your bloodwork
If you're wanting to know how your body is reacting to the test cyp, the anavar needs to be clear from your system
Its not just about your testosterone reading, there is so much more to it than that
Its no good having your test level in the high/normal range if your estrogen, hct, rbc, cholesterol etc are all at unhealthy levels
All of which could be skewed by the anavar
 
Nice one bro ,

I'll finish the anavar , continue with the test then get another full blood done in a few months time and see where I am ,

Thanks for reply
 
If you going to use the var up and run cyp you may as well make the most of it imo.
Trt usually is run at 100 -125mg per week / 10 days or so...
If you were doing it 'right' you'd do regular bloods to find the right level for "you' and that is not just the test level but all other markers being at within good ranges.
Var will particularly effect your cholesterol .
What many will do is run a trt dose most of the year and then run a blast ( for want of a better word ) once, twice a year etc...
200mg of test is more than 125 but still relatively low for a blast, not advising you to but you could go a little higher with the test and get a little more from course and then drop back down to a standard trt dose afterwards
Test being the trt choice and other drugs depending on what your goals would be. Var is great for strength and condition if dieting for example.
Not condoning more drugs btw, just trt is trt, running a course is something else and I'm a bit one or the other in my thinking. You will shut your own production down either way, j7st be aware of that and bare in mind trt is a long term commitment really....
Stay on top of things like at least a couple of blood tests a year and consider letting blood.
 
Excellent advice,

And it makes sense , so I've just increased my dose of test to 200 and see how I go , I'm definitely gonna get the full bloods in a few months again, for £200 its worth it .
And I get my bloods done once a year with my GP anyway with being over 45 funny enough I've just had a call off them asking me to go in and get the bloods done , so I'll see what they screen for too
 
Not sure about other companies but E-val might be good for you re blood testing etc.
I wasn't aware you would be looking at £200 for bloods but see how Eval compare given the different services they offer

https://evalbloodanalysis.com/home/

Also, if you're a few weeks into your test /var your gp is going to probably want to "discuss' your nhs blood test results.
Legally etc, you're doing nothing wrong in self admin testosterone but most GPs are going to be quite negative about doing it....

Going forward, bare in mind once you come off testosterone etc or other peds the effects of them on your blood tests are apparent for several weeks.
 
No I've recently paid with medi checks for my bloods and posted my results above because I have questioned my problems in the past with my gp and because I had facial hair he said my there was nothing wrong with my test levels wtf haha and when talking to the receptionist today over my upcoming bloods she said they don't test for testosterone , but I'll see what the bloods from gp come back with and go from there ,
Just smashed chest and triceps, tool it easy on the shoulder with recovering from op but feel great considering I've just finished 12 hr nights , it's defo helping my energy levels
 
Hi everyone Hope your all well !
Quick question if ye don't mind giving advice , I'm coming close to the end of my course of anavar , I started off on 20mg daily and increased upto current dosage of 30mg , and with test cyp at 200mg a week I feel great and definitely starting to get a better body anyway I'm gonna taper off the anavar from 30 mg down to say 20mg then 10mg then stay on the test cyp as TRT , would I Need to run a pct ? Or will I be ok , I've only been on the anavar for say a month ?

Ps also had my bloods done by GP , as a yearly thing they do , my chlosterol is slightly high but they want me to go back for a retest as my ALT levels cane back high , now I've read that muscle damage can cause this ? Is there any truth in this , if say I've been training to failure ,will that account for muscle damage?
 
Sorry serum ALT is 78 with a range of 0.0 to 40.0

Cholesterol 5.7 with a range of 0.0 to 5.0
 
Personally I wouldn't bother tapering off, and not pct.
If you are on trt what are you aiming to do with a pct ?
Your own production is compromised by the trt anyway.
Just drop back to a true trt level.
Poss spend the money on some organ support sups.
Cholesterol poss increased due to Var it is an effect but without knowing your prior levels etc hard to say, but likely.
ALT yeah, could well be the working out especially if you trained hard prior to bloods, my creatine kinase goes off the scale lol...
Also could be the var putting liver under some stress.
Would be wise to check again in a few weeks and the organ supports supps might help.

If you take meds it all has an effect and that's why it's wise to get a baseline blood test whilst 'clean' and have something to refer back to.
Your course hasn't been anything 'heavy' at 30mg and 300mg but it will raise levels.

My view.
 
Nice one for the reply bro , I didn't think I would need to taper off the var and run a pct but you've just confirmed it all , I've been taking LIV 52 DS at 4 tablets a day since day 1 and plant sterol tablets at 2400mg a day to try and get the chlosterol down but that could of been high to begin with anyway so I'm not really concerned at the moment , I'll get rid of the var that I have left then just continue with the test , then get full bloods done again in a few months and see where I'm at , either way I feel great , even if the doses are relatively low , thanks again your advice is much appreciated
 
I'll finish var give it a few weeks then go to my doctors for the Blood retest on the ALT without training before hand maybe .
 
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